Comic 627 - Discuss cutting memories

Posted on 28th Nov 2017, 8:59 PM in Ghosts
Discuss cutting memories

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Morgenstern 28th Nov 2017, 8:59 PM edit delete
Morgenstern
You explain, briefly, which memories it's attached itself to.

"Alright," Caius says, "so it's just tha bad feelin', right? You can like... smoke some level, and make it go away?"

Dr. Finch shakes his head. "It's not so easy, unfortunately. It's not the feeling of dread reliving the memories--that fear has been retroactively inserted into the memories themselves. You would need to alter your own neural sequences to erase that horrible sensation from the memories, and doing so... puts each memory at risk as a whole. Simply cutting out one feeling from an entire experience would take an incredible level of precision."

You suggest that--since you can sync with anyone in your group--if you did cut out a whole memory of meeting someone, you can just sync with them and pull it back from their memories.

"That could work," Dr. Finch says, before adding more enthusiastically "that should work. If you damage your memory of meeting Michelle, for example, you could just sync with her and pull the corrected memory from her. Michelle was present when you met Fuse, yes? Yes. So, you can likewise pull a corrected memory of meeting Fuse from Michelle. If the Nil has done something similar in Fuse's memories, we could repeat the process to try and fix his. The only thing you wouldn't be able to recover..."

"Mom and Dad," Red finishes. "That time looking at the stars... if that memory gets messed up, we have no way to get it back. That memory's a signal in your human brain... you wouldn't be able to pull it back out of me, or anything like that."

"The decision is yours," Dr. Finch states. "If you attempt to cut the Nil from those memories and fail, using a backup from our memories should work just fine. Once you're free of its influence, you can go about fixing Macland Row of his vegetative state, which will relieve us of Gesenai Shirai's time limit. This seems to be... well, the least dangerous option available."

"You'll just be losin' that one memory of your parents," Caius says.

"Not necessarily," Dr. Finch says.

"But prob'ly," Caius replies. "Like, I ain't tryin' to be a downer, but... this all sounds real complicated, and you ain't done nothin' like this before. If I'm hearin' tha stakes right, then I don't want it sugar coated: you take a swing at this, you're prob'ly gonna lose that memory."

Dr. Finch looks like he wants to refute it, but... he can't. Though you'd be trying to only cut out the negative qualia in the memory, the odds are extremely high that the rest of the memory will go down with it.

Comments:

rufiangel 28th Nov 2017, 9:25 PM edit delete reply
rufiangel
*deep breath*

Okay... can we at least write down that memory for the GOOD details we have in mind for it to be recorded down, every last moment and good feeling about it, so we can at least read back on it like a diary entry of an event we can't quite recall but know it happened?

And then... let's do it. Go back and remove all the bad crap, sync up to repair anything damaged, and... remove that eNil presence from our mind.

It sucks to think we might lose even ONE THING to this horrible creature but... it's a cost we might have to pay, to save our lives. u_u
Lythar 28th Nov 2017, 9:27 PM edit delete reply
We have to do that, yes. No question, if we leave even a *single* memory untouched post-Nil, we won't remove it. We have to cut at that one and hope we can undo it without losing the memory entirely.
Blue_Elite 28th Nov 2017, 9:41 PM edit delete reply
Seconding write down the memories and then let's get cutting.
I propose we go in the same order we discovered the corrupted memories. The freshest memories are going to be the easiest ones to replace (especially the meeting with Caius, which has multiple vantage points) and so they can be our "practice rounds." Hopefully, by the time we get to the memory we can't salvage, we can keep at least something of it.
Worse case scenario, we can TRY replacing that memory with the discussion we had while we were catching ravens.
Azith 28th Nov 2017, 9:26 PM edit delete reply
The lesser of two evils is still evil, but we don't really have any other choice if we want to stay human. I vote we make Nil regret this before we're done with it.
Allwarden47 28th Nov 2017, 9:33 PM edit delete reply
If Nil still is within other people, then all we’d be doing is making it angry
Allwarden47 28th Nov 2017, 9:32 PM edit delete reply
Well, you guys know I still think we should negotiate. Especially with the risks involved. Also, really bad idea, but is forcing a sync with Nil out of the realm of possibility? It’s a possible last resort if (when) everything goes horribly wrong. Also, the more I hear, the more I want to negotiate. Nil clearly wants something. It wouldn’t interact with human minds otherwise. Nil might very well be a third party in this mess. Carpenter might not even know it exists. Also, given Edison’s clear ability to affect psychics, she might be able
Allwarden47 28th Nov 2017, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
*to affect it
Blue_Elite 28th Nov 2017, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
Quote from Grizwald from the previous update:
"Them soldiers had t' be put down. They was tryin' to force other people to watch th' stuff, tryin' to put that dreamless sleep shit in other peoples' heads. They wanted to spread it, an' they was doin' it by force. ..."
Like Edison, this appears to be a linearly focused being. Its goal is to spread, which is precisely what it's doing already. Moreover, negotiating still carries the risk of trying to encounter Nil again and the possibility of it trying to infect us more or just flatout try to kill us so we can't remove it from Macland.
Mochi 28th Nov 2017, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
Mochi
i think i'm okay with losing that one memory. it's not ideal, but it is only one memory. and, everyone else knows about it. they know where the park is. they know our parents used to take us there to stargaze.

and you know what? once gesenai is off our backs, we can take our new family up there. lay on the grass in the park and watch the stars. make a new memory. it won't be the same, but it can still be a good memory.
Auron 28th Nov 2017, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
Can we write a backup? Can we manipulate the brain of an animal we control to have a copy? Can we practice? I don't like the idea of animal testing for this but a rat's not going to miss an inconsequential memory.
Blue_Elite 28th Nov 2017, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
We can't do a backup in the mental sense. The memory is already corrupted. We'd be backing up a corrupted memory.

The closest to a backup we can do is to write down the event and just have to take our own word for the experience once we forget it.
Thinking positively though, it's always possible we'll be able to salvage part of that memory and not lose the whole thing.
BunnyMuffin 28th Nov 2017, 9:38 PM edit delete reply
Yes, I think we need to write down our memories. Especially the one of Mom and the stars. Then, we need to kick Nil out!
Edit: I think we should eat something before we try to do this. And hug everyone as well *^*. Just in case.
Mr.Fugglebutt 28th Nov 2017, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
Plan A: Negotiate. If it wants to proliferate itself, maybe we could think of something to put it in.
Plan B: try to cut the memories. Probably wont work, but we have to try. Just focus on the good things in the memories that dont have the BAD FEELINGS, like if mom and dads sad smiles still make us fell "at home" and safe.
Plan B.Part 2. Draw a picture of that night with mom and dad. Just in case. We might lose the memory, but we will never forget that it happened and that they loved us.

Speaking of focusing on the good part of the memories, could that work? Memories are a combination of the 5 major senses, as well as many minor senses as well as the mind at the time. Maybe we can narrow down specific stimuli that are causing the problem. The memory would have more holes than Swiss cheese, but the mind is extremely good at piecing together old and beaten memories with what probably was.
Portal In Time 28th Nov 2017, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
Portal In Time
I think we have to do this. Our memories are precious to us, and the one of our parents are irreplacable.. But Nil has left a beacon in our minds. If we don't try this, the memories would still be toxic. The only way we could feasibly enjoy our past is by putting our past at risk.

Besides, who knows. Maybe we could remember ourselves remembering?
demiboy 5th Mar 2018, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
well, if we cut all the other memories first, we could get practice before doing the delicate one...