Comic 559 - Talk to Red

Posted on 8th Nov 2017, 9:26 PM in Doors
Talk to Red

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Morgenstern 8th Nov 2017, 9:26 PM edit delete
You contact your Red.

...Strictly inside your mind, so you don't look like a crazy person chatting with the air.

You ask if Red knows what, exactly, Carpenter's memetic defense did to Macland.

"Physically? No," she responds. "I just know that everything was shutting down, with us still inside. If he's started showing signs of activity, then it may have opened back up a little in there... but it would still be incredibly dangerous to try and infiltrate. The hospital Macland's being kept at may have diagnosed him--if we really want to try and salvage him, we could maybe start by finding out what they know. The doctors there must have reached some idea, right? Although... trying to extract info from a hospital under Shirai's watch might be pretty dangerous, too."

You also ask if it would possible to put a cat in here.

"I mean... you could," she says. "Your memories of this room are really vivid and specific. Your memories of actual cats are... less so. You've seen more pictures of cats than real cats, sooo... you'd be getting weird, vague cats that your mind's halfway filling in the blanks for. Strange dream cats.

Please don't try to externalize any malformed dream cats. You'll frighten everyone."


rufiangel 8th Nov 2017, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
Should we... hack into hospital records...? >__> Hum. Or just yoink it out manually with a rigged USB stick, using Willard like we did with Club Elegance? Under Shirai's watch I guess that could be super tricky but that's a thing we could do.

Red's response is kind of interesting, though. Does that mean we can kind of put *anything* in here, so long as we have memories enough to recreate it? Could we potentially put in memories of people in here, too?
Blue_Elite 8th Nov 2017, 11:13 PM edit delete reply
I'm really, really reluctant to help Macland unless it directly helps us. Even if, and that's a big IF, Macland is grateful and decides to help us; remember from his mind that he's a chronic backstabber. As soon as he thinks he can get away with it, he'll turn on us (like everyone he currently works with) in an instant.

RE The mindroom: from what Red described it sounds like we can put anything in here but the quality is directly related to how well we actively (as opposed to subconsciously) remember the subject. So for instance we could put Fuse in here but if we can't remember what his eyes look like behind that visor, mindroom|Fuse will literally be eyeless. Also since we don't really know anyone in our group real personally, we'd probably inject our interpretation of their personality rather than replicate it.
Though on that note, I wonder if we can recreate our mother in the mindroom. I don't know if it'd do any good at all or even work properly, but it'd be someone we've known for decades and should hopefully be able to recreate accurately; just as an experiment.

Also throwing in a note that we should hug Red before leaving.
PurpleKetchup 8th Nov 2017, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
The goodwill (well, "betterwill") of Gesenai is in the balance. I'm for it, personally.
Maybe even Macland will notice how much she cares about him even when he was down and that could also give him something to think about.

Finding a way to contact Shirai as directly as possible could do the trick. If we let her know we want to help, she's strongheaded enough to give us the hospital diagnosis.
...or we hack it out of their network and Fuse leaves a message explaining why we need it.
Cuttlefish 9th Nov 2017, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
I really do believe Gensai could be turned against the hivemind before she joins it, if we convince her of Carpenter's role in Mac's current state. Mac is a genuinely bad person, but a success here means two powerful players splintering away from TH. They may not become any less of a threat to us, but diverting TH's resources is a win in itself. Additionally, Jane's blood is in Mac, which gives us a degree of control over him - and increases the risks involved with Carpenter stealing Mac away for his own deranged purposes.
Blue_Elite 8th Nov 2017, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
B-but... Zombie cat loves you. :3
Deminia 8th Nov 2017, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
Wait hang on, we can externalize all stuff we create in here? Think of the possibilities. We can externalize all the ice cream should our fridge ever run out. Or money since we don’t have that much left.
PurpleKetchup 8th Nov 2017, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, but it won't be like we imagine it once externalised. We all scream for gore-flavoured icecream...
Blue_Elite 9th Nov 2017, 3:20 AM edit delete reply
What we externalize will still be made of blood and/or possibly flesh. Unfortunately that's really the only materials we have to work with to make things "physical."
Also our Red gets input in the creation so, like the shoulder we tried to heal, chances are good whatever we try to make physical will be horrific and disfigured.

Still, it should all look nice WITHIN our mind (we could give mindroom!Red ice cream from our memory).
Baeronius 9th Nov 2017, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
Well, technically we can mimic chemical compounds, so we could recreate ice-cream... someday.
It would take a LOT of work though(practice), as we currently do not have the skills to create nor alter chemicals that are not a direct part of the blood.

It would work kind of like gears for an assembly line. the gears would be the blood, but we'd have to figure out how to align them to produce the chemicals required from other materials. But we could turn a pile of grass into actual strawberry ice-cream. At that level of precision, we'd even be able to extract all of the blood so it was just pure product.
Essentially the blood would tweezer apart the input chemicals, re-align them, and tweezer them together again into the tasty.
lil Joshu 9th Nov 2017, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
Technically icecream is frozen half-milk, and is a standard bodily fluid chilled, so it should actually be really easy to mimic (easier than teeth, even), that said, it'd probably be unflavored. That said, it'd probably be more nutritious since it'd probably be based on human instead of cow milk with more more bio-compatible with humans for obvious reasons.

THAT said, it would probably be super-awkward if someone asked where the oddly tasty unflavored icecream came from.
Archon 9th Nov 2017, 2:48 AM edit delete reply
Mmm. Here's a question for Red.
If we had the time and inclination to do so, could we design a meat-critter in here to externalize later?

And if so, would Red be willing to give any such critters a once-over for any horrible flaws we missed in making it?
Baeronius 9th Nov 2017, 4:48 AM edit delete reply
But our malformed, externalized, dream-cats would give hugs to everyone!

Yet I do see your point Red.
I do see it.
lil Joshu 9th Nov 2017, 1:11 PM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
I'm slightly amused that our Red is more aware of the risks of freaking people out than we are at this instance?
Warp 10th Nov 2017, 5:18 AM edit delete reply
The implication is that "everyone" includes Jane's Red and Mother's Red.
Crestlinger 9th Nov 2017, 5:51 PM edit delete reply
Yes, please no mutant gore kitties. For our friends at least, enemies can have This delightful creature: