Comic 1112 - Talk to Mom's red

Posted on 30th Oct 2018, 2:39 AM in Hope
Talk to Mom's red

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Morgenstern 30th Oct 2018, 2:39 AM edit delete
Morgenstern
It's been a long day--most of the group heads to bed. Fuse stays up a little later to mess around on the computer.

You stick around to talk to Mom's red.

You ask the giant mouth on the wall how it travels through space.

"Are you inquiring about propulsion? It's not particularly complex. Well--it wasn't when the pilot had access to infinite mass. Action, reaction--material expelled with enough force will push one forward. In space, it takes surprisingly little to move, though reaching a speed I would consider efficient--or even escaping this planet's gravity, and breaking past the atmosphere--that requires a great deal of force. I imagine as I am now, my mass would diminish substantially reaching anywhere of note. Now that you've begun to tap into your own red in earnest, however... you do not have such things to concern yourself with. You can expel as much material as you desire, with as much force as you prefer."

...When the mouth says expel material, does it mean--

Fuse, having caught at least part of the conversation, fills in what you were thinking. "Like, blood rockets? You just shoot blood at some crazy velocity? Because that's... kinda cool, not gonna lie."

"It doesn't need to be blood, necessarily," the mouth clarifies. "Various gases can serve similar purpose."

Fuse gives the faintest hint of a sigh. "I'm glad everybody already went to bed, we'd spend the next ten minutes on that comment."

What about air?

"Air?" The enormous mouth doesn't actually move, but you could swear it smiles wider regardless. "Why do you require it? Energy for your human shape? Fuel, to construct new cells? To drive your primitive immune system? You can force your heart to pump its blood. You can will new cells into existence. You can command neurons to fire. You are reaching now the point where you should understand--oxygen, for you, is merely convenient. Breathing is a habit."

Well... your friends need oxygen still. You can't really control their bodies like you can your own, and if for... whatever reason you decide to make a meat ship, you need to be able to take other people.

"...I see," the mouth replies. It pauses, though you're not sure if it's thinking, or just giving you the chance to. Mom's red continues. "That is a dilemma. I have never needed to consider it."

You ask Mom's red if there's any tricks you haven't thought of--things your mom did that you haven't. Shooting blood out of a portal like a rocket blast is already new ground for you, surely there's others.

"For your mother, manipulation of the body was not merely a stack of tricks," the mouth replies. "It was nature. It was habit. She contorted the physical as easily as you take breaths. I struggle to think of anything in specific you haven't achieved yet, in terms of what she was capable of... but I may simply be absented minded regarding her feats, having taken them for granted. She could do it all so... casually."

You ask why humans get a little crazy when they're in the red.

"The human mind fights to comprehend the experience," responds the mouth. "Actual infinity. That concept alone is an impressive one to grasp for those that have known only limits their entire existence. Time, space, weight... these are ideas adjacent to the red, achievable and tangible within it, but not necessary components. They are foreign imports, dirty tracks left by careless boots as one walks through the door--they are not native to it. Moments can be eternity. Eternity can be moments. It can be subjective and vary on a whim. Imagine: watching in minutes as another lives through years. Manipulating time and space in the red requires... hm. This tongue, your language lacks sufficient words for it. I can only recommend practice. Experience."

So, wait--if you can mess with time, does that mean you can travel backw--

"I advise strongly against it," the mouth interjects... and very quickly. "I advise against even considering it too heavily. There are no hard rules against it in the red. Here, on this plane? It is a very different matter. There are... obstacles, to emerging from the red backwards from when you entered it. There are... forces. Things you do not want to draw even a glance from."

You ask if portals can be opened from inside of the red, to places that don't currently have your blood on the outside.

"You can open a doorway to where blood will be, but is not yet," the mouth replies. "I advise strongly against it."

You ask if blood HAS to be in some kind of container, or if that's just some personal limit you have.

"What is a container?," the mouth asks. "What does it mean to be inside? It is a real limit, a tangible 'rule' as much as such a thing can exist." This time, you're positive the mouth smiles wider. "Your mother did have a fondness for bending rules."

Lastly, you go to ask your own red about manifestation--does... she WANT to be manifested?

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"Oh, yeah," Fuse remarks, looking up from the computer screen. "That's still happening."

"I don't like it any better than you do," Red sort of huffs. "This should be getting better by now."

You hear Tesla stifle a giggle. Up until this point, they've been quietly whispering to each other--however, this seems to have gotten their attention. Faraday waves. ...At Red. "Hello! I'm Faraday."

She gives Tesla a small nudge. Tesla takes a moment to work up her courage. "M-my name's... Tesla. Y... you have the same kind of flower I do."



There's a very long pause all throughout the room.

"I have... no explanation for that," Red finally remarks.

"Okay, yeah--that's weird," agrees Fuse. "You girls can see her?"

Tesla and Faraday nod with varying enthusiasm.

"You are splitting your electrical signals," Mom's red states. "It is... very faint, but definite. I suspect conventional humans are ill equipped to perceive it."

"...But ghosts totally can," Fuse adds, shrugging his shoulders. "Alright."

"What do you mean, splitting the signals?," Red asks.

The mouth does not reply.

"Big Red did say it was faint," Fuse finally replies. "Maybe that means he can't hear you. He just... knows you're here."

"Why are we splitting signals?!," Red asks more vehemently, this time to no one in particular.

It... probably has something to do with your adventure as a ghost, and having your imprint reinforced or... whatever all that did.

"Or Red having to take over as your brain for a while," Fuse suggests. "She was kind of stuck in your body for... a long-ish time. Maybe you're starting to dedicate... synapses to her. Or something."

"So what, I'm turning into a ghost?," Red protests.

"I dunno," Fuse shrugs. "Look, I'm not Dr. Finch. I'm just spitballing here. Wait--" Fuse looks up at the giant mouth on the wall. "You said you can detect her, faintly--can you like, feel ghosts? Do you know how helpful that would have been if you'd mentioned that sooner?"

The mouth could see you when you were astral projecting, if you recall correctly. Mom's red, at the time, said you were 'difficult to spot' but strong enough to be sensed.

"I do not discern differences in electricity very astutely," the mouth replies. "I'm familiar with Mine's presence by now, moreso now that I've witnessed it free of the body. Her journey about the room as independent electricity, a few days ago, was... a learning experience. I have a keener eye for her energy now."

"You don't have proper eyes, though?," Faraday remarks.

"I'm supposed to be a psychological aspect," Red states. "Not a ghost!"

"It's not so bad," Faraday replies. "I rather like it."

Comments:

Twyll 30th Oct 2018, 4:04 AM edit delete reply
Well, Red's turning into a ghost, just in time for Halloween! Very appropriate :) We'll still love her no matter what form she takes, of course <3

Also, Big Red has given us a lot of food for thought. Perhaps we need to meditate upon the nature of containers. What *is* a container, really? What if we *imagine* a container around something? If we visualize it hard enough, doesn't it exist in some sense of the word? Or if not, the vent back in the hospital was a container despite being made of multiple pieces... what if *air* could be a container despite being made of many molecules?
Toricon 30th Oct 2018, 4:07 AM edit delete reply
Does the entire universe count as a container? That would be kinda handy.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 4:15 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
I suspect it does but it'd be difficult to fill with enough blood to control it.
Golnor 30th Oct 2018, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
@undeadDreamer
We got infinite blood tho.
Frission 2nd Nov 2018, 4:48 AM edit delete reply
Frission
Perhaps she could just think of a localized area as a 'container', like the cit—waaait, nevermind. We know where someone else was going with that one. >_>;
Gigafreak 30th Oct 2018, 4:29 AM edit delete reply
Wait, so, electromagnetic weirdness produced three different imprints of the same person: Edison, Faraday, and Tesla. If Mine's adventures with Incident F have somehow caused Red to become a sort of imprint-inhabiting-her-body...
...Have her other aspects become imprints as well? Maybe we could manifest Child-Mine to hang out with the girls (and see if Edison might be caught off-guard enough to reach her), or have group self-hugs at will, or let Fuse take a look at Visor-Mine to show him what a bad influence he is on us.
Maybe we can try talking to Science-Mine, just to see if it works.
WalkerOfSorrow 30th Oct 2018, 4:29 AM edit delete reply
Strictly speaking, to a fluid, a container is that to which it conforms. Not like solids. To a solid, a container is simply an enclosed space that is large enough to hold it, probably larger than it.

When a liquid enters a container, it finds the edges toward gravity, but does not expand to fill all the available space (particularly upward). Thus, a container controls how far down a liquid can go, and how far it can expand laterally. If a container is tall enough, or wide enough, the liquid is insufficient to escape without an outside force disturbing the container. If a container has a lid, the liquid has an even harder time escaping.

Gases expand to fill all available space. That's why you can't force them to stay in an open container, only a sealed one. But gaseous dynamics are not really the issue here.

The blood's closest comparison is liquid. So I would say that the only components necessary are: a) a barrier toward gravity, b) sufficient width, c) sufficient height. B and C we can sum up as "the container must have enough physical space" or "must be composed of enough physical space." This covers the vent issue. However, I'm stumped as to the applications involving gravity.
Fishbulb 30th Oct 2018, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Fishbulb
Technically speaking, layers of the Earth's atmosphere could be considered containers.
PurpleKetchup 30th Oct 2018, 2:23 PM edit delete reply
Nah, the atmosphere does not contain - it's only the lightest part, so it lies on top. If you dig that way, the container is Earth's gravity well, open like a cup.
No idea if Mine could wrap her head around the concept to use it despite that.
Mister 30th Oct 2018, 9:17 PM edit delete reply
It's about how she conceptualises it though, right?

If she can abstractly perceive, or incorrectly believe that the atmosphere is a container, then that'd work. That's been eluded to in previous pages.
Departure_Dave 31st Oct 2018, 9:26 AM edit delete reply
Gravity was my thought as well. It's not like her blood is going to float off into space unless she tries extraordinarily hard.
Asrioth 30th Oct 2018, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
Asrioth
If we're wanting to bend the rules then we could consider a unit of space as a container. You could think of something as being contained by the space that it occupies. You could also arbitrarily assign a bit of space to be your container say by imagining it to be a box of space.
Blue_Elite 30th Oct 2018, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
Just to throw it out there: Miming would allow Mine to create containers anywhere she wants by simply believing to be enclosed regardless of whether there is an actual container or not.
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 2:44 AM edit delete reply
Miming is devilry, and we shall not have that here.
Antarean 1st Nov 2018, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
"Blood is Mime."
Toricon 30th Oct 2018, 4:06 AM edit delete reply
I mean... ghosts appear to be psychological aspects of their human (or half-human) manifested in electrical form?

Tesla, Edison, and Faraday are all ghosts of the same person, and yet are very different people nonetheless. Is this because of their different experiences as ghosts, or because they come from different parts of their original mind?

And, again, ghosts don't *have* to form after their originator's death, it's just most commonly that way.

Does Red to be a ghost? She's not "supposed" to be one, debatably. But does she *want* to be one?
WalkerOfSorrow 30th Oct 2018, 4:31 AM edit delete reply
She seems a little disturbed by it right now, but let her talk to the girls for a while, when there is time, and we'll see how that develops.
The Chicken Guy 30th Oct 2018, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
Or we could physically manifest her? or at least try? If she wants to of course.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 4:11 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
I for one am excited at this development. Sorry Red you're turning into your own person whether we give you a body or not.

On a separate note we should ask if giving information to a version of you that traveled through the red in the past is possible, and if so how dangerous it is.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 4:13 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
Also:
Hey Red if you're an aspect of our personality why are you freaking out about this when we're perfectly calm?
Twyll 30th Oct 2018, 4:21 AM edit delete reply
Have you never been both intrigued and freaked out by something? It's very possible to be of a split mind, especially when it comes to unexpected and unusual things.

Of course, it could be that Red is a lot more herself than she thinks, and she just doesn't realize it yet.
The Chicken Guy 30th Oct 2018, 8:02 AM edit delete reply
It says a lot about me that my mind immediately went to making us do a tap dance routine with ourself (red). I didn't know I liked tap dancing that much. Huh.
Xylas_Incarnum 30th Oct 2018, 4:21 AM edit delete reply
Xylas_Incarnum
Going to snag a line from "If the emperor had text to speech": What are rules, really?
WalkerOfSorrow 30th Oct 2018, 4:37 AM edit delete reply
I love both that line and this page. Everything about them. Rules are so petty and arbitrary. Even the laws of physics on a macroscopic scale are based largely on chaotic interactions on a microscopic scale, all the way down to quantum physics. In a universe made of vibrating strings of energy...

Well, let's put it this way. Most of us don't know and can't, what that energy is. Those of us who get close to knowing can only describe it as an attribute. A variable. Like your height, or the brightness of a bulb. But of what? Nothing. Down on that scale, attributes are of themselves; everything is numbers. What does it mean for the strings of energy to vibrate? Same problem. Vibration is a characteristic of the strings, in as much as your heart is beating, your lungs are respirating, and your tongue is in a particular position in your mouth at this moment. They are strings, made of energy, and they vibrate. That is all.

So why does anything in the universe act the way it does? Well, put simply, because it does. The slightly more enigmatic answer is "Chaos." The closest thing to a god in my life.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 4:54 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
Make a bunch of golems we could trade for mini Mines that we could trade up for possibly a blank brained full sized Mine. It's late so we don't have to trade right now but it's good to have it done so we can have a body lying around for Red to use if she wants one.
1977 30th Oct 2018, 7:40 AM edit delete reply
I already thought about this a bit.
My reasoning was we could give Mini-Mine to Red by way of externalising it into Mini-Mine's body.
Now this seems to be even easier.
Just have Red possess the body in the same way Ghost-Mine got back into her body when astralprojecting.
The Chicken Guy 30th Oct 2018, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
I forgot we had a mini-me. That could be a possibility. And to take it a step further and see if our other ghostly companions are interested in possessing a doll. I mean, it's cliche, but if they want to, it could be fun.
The Chicken Guy 30th Oct 2018, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
Additionally, I keep forgetting that her name is Mine. I just think of her as "blondie", or "us", or "The Bloody Lord of Hugs, whose binds people together".
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
To be fair on the discord and stuff we used to call her Jane and it took us a few months to get out of the habit.
AlphaExile 31st Oct 2018, 9:59 AM edit delete reply
So, can the girls "Inhabit" mini-mine since she is a blank slate?
It would sure be nice to let them "Live" again after all they have been through...
The Chicken Guy 2nd Nov 2018, 5:46 AM edit delete reply
I don't think that they are technically the same person.
Ablaze 30th Oct 2018, 7:17 AM edit delete reply
You may not be able to time travel, but you could pass notes into the red and read them there earlier (since you can just read it in the red, nothing physical has time traveled). If you had a computer in the red or just a simple notepad, you might be able to text back and forth with a future version of yourself.
The Chicken Guy 30th Oct 2018, 7:56 AM edit delete reply
Why? To remember your keys? To commune with past pages? If so, these comment sections will get WEIRD. I don't see a problem with the idea, but I don't see a purpose for it, and by default, I think we should avoid time fuckery if there is no benefit.
Feel free to tell me whether I missed the potential of this.
Ablaze 30th Oct 2018, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
Not to talk with your past, but with your future. If future you can give us insight on an emergency we can prepare for it. Similar to the error room shenanigans.
Warp 30th Oct 2018, 8:44 AM edit delete reply
There's still some serious concern about the Forces Above that govern time-space.

Yes, it is clever to communicate with dead-drops within the Red, as that avoids the danger of -opening- a blood portal into the past or future...

But how much does such an information transfer count towards generating an attention-grabbing causality violation?

The Error Room seems to imply that atemporal information transfer is permissible under atemporal conditions, and the Tradesmen and Library have both displayed that their own future-sight capabilities are acceptable under the current universal paradigms, but the power of the Red is under -much- more scrutiny by the Forces Above who govern time-space, due to the currently ongoing, officially sanctioned, divine betting pool oriented around Mine's factual status as the propagator of the next First Womb universal recycling.

Actually scratch all that, there is a much bigger problem that will hit us first: every reply Mine could get at the in-red dead-drop could come from the -wrong- future self! The Red is true infinite, and possesses chronicity only as a psychic byproduct of life itself, which means the communication range is also infinite, across all timelines!

ow can Mine control for this infinite noise-to-signal ratio to identify useful communications?!
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 11:54 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
You're giving your legs a real workout by jumping to conclusions. I'm fairly certain Mines from entirely different timelines would have a separate red.
Japster 30th Oct 2018, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
Japster
Time fuckery is our last resort.
Ablaze 30th Oct 2018, 7:54 PM edit delete reply
Good points. If something extremely world ending happens, we could notify ourselves of it. But we don't have to mess with it now.

Though we should be able to slow or accelerate time forwards without penalty.
Heliaestus 1st Nov 2018, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I don’t think we need Morgensterns version of a Hound Of Tindalos on our tail.
WalkerOfSorrow 4th Nov 2018, 4:46 AM edit delete reply
I appreciate this comment by Heliaestus, because something any up-to-date reader of Blood is Mine should know, and know well by this point...

...is that Morgenstern has a unique talent for taking cool, weird, or already scary things, and making them blood-curdlingly, pants-shittingly, god-awfully more terrifying than they ever were before.
WalkerOfSorrow 4th Nov 2018, 4:51 AM edit delete reply
I mean, he's shown us a sentient library of forbidden knowledge. In Harry Potter, that would be cute, or even boring. In the Yogsothory (Lovecraftian), we might not be able to understand its presence at all, ergo see it as a normal library, or a blank room, or not see it period. But in Blood Is Mine, it was this enormous, cobalt, infested, nightmare bookstore on steroids, from which we can see space. Also we've never been there, because the library, unlike us apparently, can futz with causality and not care.
WalkerOfSorrow 4th Nov 2018, 4:54 AM edit delete reply
Something we've learned to use as a commodity and bus stop is an infinite plane of I Can't Believe It's Not Blood! One that apparently is more terrifying than we thought, and has rules we didn't know it had, which could have screwed us at any point. We're linked to the minds of all of our friends, can make them do what we want, and they might not even realize when we're taking control at a particular moment.
Tych 30th Oct 2018, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
I just noticed something that no one has commented on here if time doesn't exist in the red and theoretically, the only constraints that a normal person has to the red is that there is no air and they can't psychologically comprehend infinity what's to stop Mine from creating a space say based on Z50 bunker and then sending someone in there with something that needs a lot of time to complete and letting them complete it within a matter of a moment or an easier to understand example

Finch has an experiment it will take months to complete Mine opens a portal to said area of the red and sends Finch inside a second later Finch comes out and say he finished his experiment technically Finch didn't time travel

or to say this plainly the Red could act as a Room of Spirit and Time(Hyperbolic Time Chamber) if conditions were met, couldn't it?
Warp 30th Oct 2018, 8:48 AM edit delete reply
The Red has other conceptual limitations that prevent your idea, such as construction materials -must- be flesh.
Japster 30th Oct 2018, 9:02 AM edit delete reply
Japster
We could portal some thing in.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 11:56 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
Noooot really. We make oxygen which isn't flesh. I think flesh is just a limit we impose onto our self.
psychoshen 30th Oct 2018, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
psychoshen
Infinite mass, I can only imagine the possibilities. Blood is mostly water. If we had a decent power source, electrolysis would separate the two hydrogen atoms from the oxygen. That's if we would even need electricity, because Mine has previously demonstrated the ability to change molecules WITHIN Caius to other useful things. So providing air for our group should be possible, but I'm thinking big here. We took over a city, but with this? We can terraform Mars. Now in the real world, it's not legal to claim any land in our area (solar system? galaxy?) it's considered international waters. But I don't think anyone could stop Mine, or would want to even.
Reax304 30th Oct 2018, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
So, like, we could get Fuse and Dr. Finch to make a machine that converts CO2 into oxygen or even just portal in some plants. There may be some alien plants or something that are really good at doing this on their own, and we may find them as close as Mars. or ask the tradesmen. What's got me excited is that we could create an infinite energy generator as long as we could hold the portals open. Just put a portal above and one below a turbine, and drip drip drip to rotate it and charge the electromagnetic engine. We could power any of our Z50 facilities that aren't powered with it, or fix the power station in the UK, or charge batteries or something. We could sell that power to keep our operation running. The possibilities are infinite :)
Golnor 30th Oct 2018, 4:40 PM edit delete reply
That loop room, which bunker was it again? The one where we dropped some glowsticks and they hit the ceiling

Then get a long enough rope, loop it around the driveshaft of a generator, lower one end until it comes from the ceiling, tie both ends together, then drop the rope. Bam, figure-8 of rope generating electricity.
pkrankow 1st Nov 2018, 10:09 AM edit delete reply
pkrankow
I like this idea. I suspect a fluid (water) powered generator might be both more reliable and less dangerous.

A raindrop falls at about 20 meters per second, so the loop is at least 50 meters (2.5 seconds) which is a non-trivial vertical distance.
Skullrama 30th Oct 2018, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
Here's a question for Mom's red regarding time manipulation: can we rewind the personal timeline of something inside the red? Say, we put in a withered apple - can we rewind it's time and then take out a fresh apple, as long as it comes out AFTER it went in? Is that possible, or a problem?

This has it's most relevant application in the issue of Knox - if this is possible his situation goes from 'screwed' to 'maybe possible'... though it is effectively reviving a dead person - not sure on the moral implications.
Leafia_Barrett 30th Oct 2018, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Leafia_Barrett
I'm willing to ask this question, if only because saving people is kinda what we do.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
We probably can't, but let's give it a shot.
Lunar Waffles 30th Oct 2018, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
Lunar Waffles
no harm is asking the red....might be harm in actually DOing it tho. x:
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 8:37 AM edit delete reply
Plus, we'd probably just rewind Knox back to evil.
Skullrama 31st Oct 2018, 10:23 AM edit delete reply
He wasn't so much 'evil' as morally ambivalent and did what MacLand told him. You know, kinda like Caius before we adopted him.

He did seem to be MacLand's favorite, so he may have been privy to even more of the depraved stuff than Caius got the opportunity to 'enjoy', but I believe the point still stands.
The Chicken Guy 2nd Nov 2018, 5:48 AM edit delete reply
He was almost certainly controlled by Thale. Bringing him out would be complicated, as well as risky.
Twelveseal 2nd Nov 2018, 9:42 AM edit delete reply
Twelveseal
+1 to asking, at least.
pkrankow 30th Oct 2018, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
pkrankow
"Air" is easy. Roughly 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen. The odd bits are unimportant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

Reaction mass is easy too. Build a "tiny" winged thruster golem, change the mass to use gravitational forces and accelleration efficiently. Blood portal when it gets there. At lest for Mine that works well. Having the fuel in a separate set of physical rules instead of boosted along helps greatly. Realize most of a rocket is made up of fuel on the launchpad, which is expended quickly.

Why is "infinity" psycologically crushing? Look at the sky, moreso at night. Create a finite space that connects to a finite space and a finite space. In effect shield travellers from the raw red.
Skullrama 30th Oct 2018, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
The issue is not just infinite space, it's... Infinity. The rules are optional, all of them. As a human mind starts to figure that out, it has difficulty coping.
Leafia_Barrett 30th Oct 2018, 9:54 AM edit delete reply
Leafia_Barrett
So Mine's Red has more or less solidified herself as a separate being, apparently against her will. May as well ask her if she wants to exist, and point out that we want her to exist if that means anything to her.
PurpleKetchup 30th Oct 2018, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
I vote for a therapeutic ghost-hug.
Limrix 30th Oct 2018, 9:48 PM edit delete reply
Limrix
I also vote for ghost hugs. Also it's late and we have a lot to think about, we should maybe go to bed.
Twelveseal 2nd Nov 2018, 9:44 AM edit delete reply
Twelveseal
+1
Lunar Waffles 30th Oct 2018, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
Lunar Waffles
So~ does this mean Red-space Submarines will work as human transit? because if it has solid walls they wont notice the infinity right? also ill ask this one again; What happens if you close a portal when something is half in and half out?(any dangers to that?)
PurpleKetchup 30th Oct 2018, 2:35 PM edit delete reply
The classical answer to interdimensional portals closing off is the splitting of whatever was at the closing point, regardless what that was.

... Don't put your pinky finger in there, I know what you're trying to do. It always ends in blood.
Mr. thought 30th Oct 2018, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
Here is a thought the Red can be almost anything liquid can we make it magnetic that way it can possible move and control anything that is magnetic like steel. It probably wouldn't be all that hard blood is already mostly iron which can become magnetic. Ever heard of an electromagnet.
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 2:43 AM edit delete reply
I can think of many ways that magnetic blood could screw us over, but also be very helpful. Either way, let's test it away from computers and the ghost girls.
Twyll 30th Oct 2018, 3:50 PM edit delete reply
Guys, as fun as it is to speculate about time shenanigans, let's remember a few things:

1) Gathering information from other time periods and using it to base our actions on is *still modifying the timeline via time travel,* even if it's not doing it directly.

2) Given the whole quantum mechanics "observing something changes it" thing, it's entirely possible that merely *looking* through time would constitute time meddling even if we instantly forgot whatever we saw-- the mere act of observation would change things.

3) If Big Red says that even *thinking* about timeline meddling is dangerous, that means we should be really, REALLY cautious.

4) Once the Hounds of Tindalos start pursuing you, they never stop.

That said, a Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the red *might* be a feasible pursuit. I think it's at least safe to ask Big Red about that one, because it involves compression/expansion of time but not alteration of the order of events.
fellow 30th Oct 2018, 4:57 PM edit delete reply
fellow
When did we learn about these hounds? I don't remember them.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 7:46 PM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
The hounds are a reference to something. They're just a stand in because we don't know what we have to deal with if we mess with time.
pkrankow 30th Oct 2018, 9:05 PM edit delete reply
pkrankow
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hounds_of_Tindalos
Limrix 30th Oct 2018, 9:45 PM edit delete reply
Limrix
If we can make it work, a hyperbolic time chamber would be possibly the best thing we could make. It would give us time, which is currently our most constrained resource.
Skullrama 31st Oct 2018, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
I concur with all these points, really. If we're going to do time stuff, it needs to maintain causality as a rule of thumb. If something goes in, gets slowed down, or sped up or altered in someway (rewound, if we can do that, for example)... that should all be fine, as long as it comes out after it went in - one thing experienced its own events as part of its own timeline, still only having an effect on the events of real space in a linear fashion.

Anything that involves actually interacting with events that already have happened or will happen but haven't yet, even if the interaction is just observation, is where we might get the attention of angry time gods.
Lurk 30th Oct 2018, 3:54 PM edit delete reply
Mine should start growing a backup body in the red. In case something catastrophic happens she could transfer her consciousness to it. she’s had plenty of practice moving her self outside of her body she should reasonably be able to do that. Secondarily what stops mine making back ups we were able to transfer a brain from one undamaged body to another could we not grow backup bodies for everybody using thier dna and hold them in stasis in the red?
Twyll 30th Oct 2018, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
The main objection to making backup bodies is that we'd essentially just be creating entirely new people-- and then, if we moved our consciousnesses to them, we'd be "killing" them by overwriting them with ourselves. If we kept them in some sort of time stasis in the red, though, I guess that wouldn't be so much of a problem because they would never start living in the first place.
undeadDreamer 30th Oct 2018, 7:46 PM edit delete reply
undeadDreamer
I think trading up for a "blank" body would be safer.
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 2:41 AM edit delete reply
This starts to get into Thale cloning territories. Lets not worry about it yet.
fellow 30th Oct 2018, 5:00 PM edit delete reply
fellow
If someone were in critical condition, we could perhaps keep them in a part of the red where time doesn't progress untill we could help them.
Some Random Guy 30th Oct 2018, 7:13 PM edit delete reply
Some Random Guy
Cryostasis? Sort of? . . .
pkrankow 30th Oct 2018, 9:06 PM edit delete reply
pkrankow
Make the travel through the red take "no time"
PurpleKetchup 31st Oct 2018, 12:42 AM edit delete reply
A very special kind of hemostasis.
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 2:40 AM edit delete reply
We kind-of had a trial with this with (Kane?) the bodyguard monster. He started to degrade. While I like this idea, let's do some extensive testing, so we don't screw it up royally when we need it
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
I was thinking, should we start an inventory list of our abilities and assets? We had a inventory in the first chapter, so it could be useful for keeping track of ideas as well.
PurpleKetchup 31st Oct 2018, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
Blue_Elite already compiled the most exhaustive inventory list back in #1107, check it out.
The Chicken Guy 31st Oct 2018, 8:07 PM edit delete reply
Thanks, I did not know that
Lunar Waffles 31st Oct 2018, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
Lunar Waffles
Also, just to confirm with Moms red, Theoretically we can make things not-flesh like from copper wires to complex robots, right? i mean, "the red"/"The blood" isn't HUMAN blood, it just mimics it.
Ablaze 31st Oct 2018, 9:41 PM edit delete reply
If we can expell matter from the red at high velocity... Could we also absorb at similar speeds? Imagine a shield that is just a red portal. Gunfire would simply no longer be a problem as not only would it enter the portal, but you could redirect it and send it right back out the was it came.
The Chicken Guy 1st Nov 2018, 3:36 AM edit delete reply
Good idea, but it would have the weakness of energy sustain (red portals are tough)
Ablaze 1st Nov 2018, 6:36 AM edit delete reply
Perhaps it being tough is just a limitation from lack of practice
Skullrama 1st Nov 2018, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
No reason this wouldn't work, if you had a blood covered surface to hold in front of you and open a portal on. The question is just how much concentration and energy it takes to hold open a portal over a long term.
1977 1st Nov 2018, 3:36 PM edit delete reply
So, now we have to begin thinking with portals?
We should give Chell a call.
Must be careful not to contact GLaDOS instead.
C 31st Oct 2018, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
Get hundreds of cat magazines and put them in the trading ritual
I really want to know what comes out
C 31st Oct 2018, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
Also can ghosts go through the bunker doors?
If so maybe do the ghost ritual and stick your ghost head through the bunker c door to see what on the other side but that may be dangerous because the tradesmen said both your body and ghost would be vulnerable during the ritual and if he'll is really on the other side of that door you don't really want to stick your head through it as a ghost
C 31st Oct 2018, 11:27 PM edit delete reply
Hell not he'll
The Chicken Guy 1st Nov 2018, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
My bet, furry porn.
Memo 1st Nov 2018, 11:45 PM edit delete reply
Memo
Paper mache kittens!
Guest 1st Nov 2018, 9:19 AM edit delete reply
And as a ghost, she can probably possess mini-mine.

Seems like a LOT healthier version of what Thale does. He has multiple bodies at the same time, but they're all so synced they remove any signs of personality (including his own). Mine's first one here, is more like a budding of personality because she has too much energy and not enough physical presence going on to express it all.
fellow 2nd Nov 2018, 2:36 AM edit delete reply
fellow
Mini mine doesn't really have enough brains to do much more than breathing. Using her as a body for someone would not be great for that person.
Twelveseal 2nd Nov 2018, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
Twelveseal
Huh. So it looks like a lot of the speculation about Mine's physics-bending potential from this page were on target. Interesting. So I guess now we have the beginnings of a new possibility: Red boosted with the ghost buffing spell. Implications~
Ablaze 3rd Nov 2018, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Could a ghost enter our red without going insane?
The Chicken Guy 3rd Nov 2018, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
Let's not experiment with that.
fellow 3rd Nov 2018, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
fellow
There's not a lot of substances that ghosts like to be in(You might remember how edison didn't like water, or the fire extinguisher.) and the red isn't exactly full of air. Even if they stay sane, being in the red might hurt them.
PastaCommander 5th Nov 2018, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
put googly eyes on the red mouth in bunker A