Comic 1042 - Continue investigating the church

Posted on 22nd May 2018, 10:55 PM in Hope
Continue investigating the church

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Morgenstern 22nd May 2018, 10:55 PM edit delete
After giving it some thought, you decide that saving Grizwald should come first. If you do kill the monster, it's probably going to alert Thale to what you're doing--and that's going to make getting Grizwald out of there much, much more difficult.

Using a bug to either spike bomb, poison, or just straight up blood the church creature seems likely, but Grizwald comes first.

You send your bug back out into the hall to continue exploring. There's still the downstairs area, and the upstairs area on the other side of the church.

You also start trying to figure out how your group is going to get into the church. Storming the front door might not be the best approach.

You start by asking Elizabeth if there's a way to know when Thale's "awake"--hitting the place when he's out of it, and can't mount a proper counterattack, would be best.

"No methods that I can come up with," Elizabeth replies. "I knew before because the syncing process would ease up. Unless we can find someone else meeting the same criteria, I don't think there's any major tells we could rely on."

You also ask if the gun buying group could scout out around the church, once they get done purchasing weaponry. If there's a way to tackle the church from above, rather than bursting in through the main entrance, that would be ideal.

"Yeah, sure," Michelle replies. "After we get done pickin' up guns, we'll look into the neighborin' buildings."

...You also ask Caius about the bone armor. He's still wearing it, even though he's just been standing around for a while.

"Look," he says. Fuse starts to laugh, and Caius ignores him. "I know how this'll go down. As soon as I take tha armor off, shit's gonna get real, and I'll jus' have to put it right back on again. I'm stayin' in ready to go mode."

Fuse gives a very nonchalant shrug, fighting back a smirk. "What if shit never gets real, ever, just because you never took the armor off...?"

"Then I'm a friggen hero," Caius replies. "You're welcome."


Gigafreak 22nd May 2018, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Caius' logic is positively unassailable.
Cyanic 22nd May 2018, 11:33 PM edit delete reply
The Caius-never-taking-off-his-bone-armor is a deterrent on a level above even nukes
pkrankow 23rd May 2018, 6:38 AM edit delete reply
When I used to race on sailboats foul weather gear was worn to keep the rain away.
Terrabrand 23rd May 2018, 7:03 PM edit delete reply
Caius is the best.
Cyanic 22nd May 2018, 11:35 PM edit delete reply
true hero

So while we're waiting on the guns and entrance scouting, we should just experiment with creating bloodbugs here in the lab, and try to experiment synthesizing toxins, just to test it out so we can have something to maybe paralyze or kill the subchurch monster later

Just practice, yknow

EDIT: oh also, we might wanna ask Caius if he could give Fuse some pointers and tips on like close combat, especially in terms of kicking, might be useful for Fuse to learn how to kick even better, what with his cyber-leg!
Guest 23rd May 2018, 12:59 AM edit delete reply
While we're experimenting there's another avenue we could test if we really want to go the stealth route. Active camouflage. Like an octopus.
the white 23rd May 2018, 2:02 AM edit delete reply
Wouldn't the octopus thing only work for us if we go in naked? I'm not saying don't do it, but some others might object.
Gigafreak 23rd May 2018, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
Or wear a onesie made of live skin.

...Which might be worse.
pkrankow 23rd May 2018, 6:40 AM edit delete reply
I suggested trading up a whole rack of clothing to try to get some active clothing camouflage stuff...
a_name 23rd May 2018, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
Tentacles? Naked? That is quickly approaching Hentai territory...
chaosblitz 22nd May 2018, 11:45 PM edit delete reply
Caius is a goddamn gift. Also, while I agree we should wait on actually killing the monster, maybe we should go ahead and send a bug into it so that we have one ready in case it attacks while we're there (you know, like it'll probably do if we get caught which, let's face it, is totally going to happen)

Anyway, back with the bug inside the church, I think we should try to go through one of the eggs because 1) we need to make sure it actually WORKS and that we haven't just been leaving our DNA all over the place for nothing and 2) I think we should probably go check out the path on the right (the one with the stairs?) and see where it leads.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 12:41 AM edit delete reply
+1. Having the death bug already in place for when everything inevitably goes to shit will be invaluable.
Crestlinger 22nd May 2018, 11:55 PM edit delete reply
Ah yes, the Murphy's Law reversal. Very powerful. Prepare for everything then the only thing that can happen to spite you is Nothing.
After getting the layout of the place as a distraction have half the group show up at the front door of the church in armor with pamphlets adamantly trying to get the whole congregation to convert to The Blood. Play it up loud enough to get Hope involved in a theological debate while Jane and Fuse sneak Grizwald out the back.
Cyanic 23rd May 2018, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
huh. That's an interesting idea actually. Though I suspect Hope might already know that we're actively working against him and not just a rival religion, especially if he knows the team's faces
Crestlinger 23rd May 2018, 3:49 PM edit delete reply
*Yet. Blood spike the hummer and knock on a wall.
Ace of Hats 23rd May 2018, 3:53 PM edit delete reply
I thoughw we wanted to be sneaky.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 12:45 AM edit delete reply
While I am curious what lies below, if we plan to break in from above, having the bug map out the upstairs area sounds most relevant.
the white 23rd May 2018, 2:06 AM edit delete reply
Maybe I missed part of the plan. Just how would we get something inside that abomination unnoticed?
Gigafreak 23rd May 2018, 2:15 AM edit delete reply
The monstrosity will notice; there's no getting around that part. We just hope that Thale isn't watching while we do it, so he can't do the "rot the flesh around the blood vessel to intercept the infection" thing until it's too late.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
As I understood it, the monster is so big that if we make a bug tiny enough, it should be able to, essentially, get in unnoticed.
Yuki 23rd May 2018, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
Oh man, I love you Caius. You are a treasure.
Blue_Elite 23rd May 2018, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
Go left and finish exploring the downstairs area. It'll be good to see if there are any manual floor traps (like, say, directly underneath Grizwald in case a rescue attempt is done on him) and if Hope's church connects to Thale's tunnels directly. Thale might have other, smaller monsters he'll send up if we get caught rescuing Grizwald.
Also Jury might not be able to do anything about Thale's monster, but Hope would have a heck of a time explaining why his church conveniently connects to a tunnel system associated with monsters and Arvin Carpenter. In case things happen and the Grizwald rescue prevents us from dealing with Thale's monster, that might work as a backup plan to at least delay/cancel Thale's eat-the-congregation plan.

EDIT: I'd also like to add to our shopping list purchasing a variety of translation guides/books; including Klingon, Tolkien elvish and... Yoshi? The idea being to trade them up for a universal translator so that maybe Fuse can use the bio-computer more efficiently.
ReikoLupus 23rd May 2018, 7:12 AM edit delete reply
That translator is a damn good idea XD. WHY nobody thought that before?
You are a hero as great as Caius XD.
pkrankow 23rd May 2018, 12:11 PM edit delete reply
Fantastic idea! Even if if is less than helpful for the computer it will eventually be helpful.
PurpleKetchup 23rd May 2018, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
Must include Groot in that list, for obvious world-saving reasons.
1977 23rd May 2018, 2:20 AM edit delete reply
Now we can finally at least look down the vent.

Cjances are that this vent ends exactly above the creature so our bug has just to fall down to be in place for the (spike-poison-blood-whatever) attack.

Once we know where the vent leads to we investigate upstairs.
Winged Crusade 23rd May 2018, 2:25 AM edit delete reply
Winged Crusade
While we have a moment, I think it’d be a good time to look into talking with good ol’ Finch about trying to mimic the camoflauge of Lizards, or as suggested in the discord, portalling light entirely through our body.

It’d help *immensely* in rescuing grizwald if we essentially had the BiM equivalent of the Chameleon spell of The Elder Scrolls series.

Alternatively, it’d be a good idea to see about expanding our bug by portalling blood into it from the red directly. Or practicing it, at any rate. Maybe try to see if we can develop wings for it. Or consult Finch about it.
ReikoLupus 23rd May 2018, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
We KNOW someone who can tell us when Thale is going to sleep: The Tradesmen.
Ask the Tradesmen about that.

(And yes, Caius is a damn true hero XD)
1977 23rd May 2018, 7:07 AM edit delete reply
Since this would be a serious tactical advantage I'm not sure I want to know the price for that answer.
ReikoLupus 23rd May 2018, 7:19 AM edit delete reply
But we already got what we consider a serious advantage at low prices XD. In the end, the point is what the Tradesmen thinks about it's importance, not us. The same with the payment. He can ask for things we don't really care much, but can be more than what we think.
Cyanic 23rd May 2018, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
Probably wouldn't be super efficient to setup an info ritual then ask them everytime we'd wanna know if Thale's asleep, because we're probably gonna have to do that since they'll only tell us if he's asleep at the moment of asking
ReikoLupus 23rd May 2018, 10:45 AM edit delete reply
Maybe not efficient, but the moment we Assault that place and Thale is unable to do anything against us, then it's our Gain XD.
PurpleKetchup 23rd May 2018, 1:27 PM edit delete reply
Usually asking anything about Thale had the nasty price of making him more aware of Jane's abilities or location.
Not worth it, by far.
ReikoLupus 23rd May 2018, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
Certainly, asking for the plans and resources of Thale has a high cost.
But the questions of "Yes / No" are far more cheap in general XD.

EDIT: And knowing that he is awake don't change our situation much, so it can't cost much. If later we ask the same question and the cost is greater, then is a "Yes" without paying for it XD.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 1:54 PM edit delete reply
I have a feeling that if we abuse that loophole too much, the Tradesmen will be forced to account for it when pricing the questions, raising the price of questions across the board.

So far, they seem to want to give us some leeway and freebies without breaking their rules, but it might be best if we don't push it far enough that they think we're trying to 'get one over on them'. The warning have been very clear about not trying to screw them over.
pkrankow 23rd May 2018, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
Get the armor spell onto Griz via bug
Make blood for portal
Feed words for spell
Transport Griz via Red. Since Griz will be inside the Red already (armor) it will be more trivial.

Life support
Mental effects... can Griz be suspended or sedated...
PurpleKetchup 23rd May 2018, 1:30 PM edit delete reply
Grizwald probably saw some nasty stuff in his lifetime as a vent crawling, paranoid-for-a-reason hobo. I doubt growing protective bone armour would phase him, unless he's got some specific phobia.
PurpleKetchup 23rd May 2018, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
Ah wait, you meant crossing the red. We don't exactly know if he could stay alive at all in there.
Keep his head out of it, carry his disembodied head around ?
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
He also might end up, like, fused halfway with whatever medium we tried to put him into the red through, if that coin in the palm was any indication.

Not exactly something we should probably be eager to try live human experiments with just yet...
The bohemian 23rd May 2018, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
Go with Cuis idea, try to make are bug go into the monster, make it crawl in side the monsters head, and Kill it with the red.
Also, have one call for a bunker meeting, Including g everyone, but the Proto jury's, adn have a one person learn how to make BOMBS! and guns, and other assorted weapons.
lil Joshu 23rd May 2018, 1:51 PM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
So, revised blood-blitz plan...

1. Make a pool of blood under the hummer for blood portaling. Also fill a jar with blood.
2. Get everyone into hummer. (Red shouldn't be traumatizing if they're protected from it by the hummer.
3. 'Refresh' blood bug with enough blood to make two bugs.
4. Send one to Grizwald, make marks under his clothing, talk to him via bone induction on his spine to tell him to speak the magic words
5. Other bug goes to ceiling where it won't be noticed.
6. Push blood through blood bug to creating ceiling portal (make lots of noise once its open so we can navigate from one portal to another), drop crew and hummer through portal.
7. Drop hummer through, everyone blazin', Grizwald activates armor, someone with a free-hand smashes jar into ground all at once.
8. Activate blood on ground as new portal out under hummer, pulling Grizwald into the hummer.
9. Close door, hummer out.

With one transmission vehicle for the red, we could probably get the time down to just a handful of seconds, probably faster than big-monster can react on its own, and faster than Thale can react and give it a command.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 1:57 PM edit delete reply
This is hilarious, but it does assume the car will be enough to protect everyone who is not Jane from maybe dying in the Red. Kind of a big assumption to make.
Swagner 23rd May 2018, 2:50 PM edit delete reply
We just gotta be careful. Big Red said that breathing conditions within it were at its leisure, so we'll just have to make sure we provide some air in ours.
Skullrama 23rd May 2018, 2:54 PM edit delete reply
I have no doubt that we are capable of making a safe, breathable environment within the Red

...I do have doubts about whether we can do it on short notice, with maybe an evening of practice, while hurtling through it in a car loaded with passengers. But, you know, maybe it'll just work out.
pkrankow 23rd May 2018, 3:10 PM edit delete reply
This is hilarious! Makes my using the armor thing seem like I was thinking way small. I like it.

I almost want to use a phone booth though. Lol.

Edit: there are valid arguments to NOT using the hummer.
It is an asset we currently cannot replace.
It is not designed to operate submerged in anything.
There would be advantage to a puropse built vessel.
However there are advantages to an existing, armored vehicle with enough suspension that stairs are no problem.
lil Joshu 23rd May 2018, 3:19 PM edit delete reply
lil Joshu
Oh, just realized side-benefit of the plan, if the giga-beast DOES react in time, at pretty much all times of this, the hummer is sitting on a blood portal or has one nearby. Worst case scenario, gigaarm swings at us, hummer just goes through portal (possibly sucking up part of giga-beast with it... oo... that'd be fun. Giga-beast tries to squirm after, and we just have the red slurp it up like spaghetti.)
Ace of Hats 23rd May 2018, 3:25 PM edit delete reply
Horrible, horrible spaghetti.
Swagner 23rd May 2018, 4:56 PM edit delete reply
Nothing would quite strike a blow to Thale's ego like literally eating his biggest monster yet for breakfast.